11
Sep
08

The Gloves Come Off!

I’m not convinced we are winning it in Afghanistan. I am convinced we can… We are looking at a new, more comprehensive strategy for the region that would cover both sides of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. In my view, these two nations are inextricably linked in a common insurgency that crosses the border between them!

Navy Adm. Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, USA

And so it has begun: the open, and unabashed attack on the sovereignty and freedom of Pakistan. The U.S. military, faced with rising insurgent violence in Afghanistan, will revise its strategy for the region to include militant safe havens in neighboring Pakistan. Within a span of 12 days, there have been 7 attacks launched by the United States from across the border on villages in Pakistan. The cup ran over when on September 3, the American Special Operation Forces conducted a full fledged raid inside Pakistan that resulted in the deaths of some 20-30 innocent Pakistanis. The attack for condemned by Pakistan, resolutions were passed in the United Nations but as always, United States paid no heed. Instead, they openly proclaimed the raid as their show and promised further operations on Pakistani soil. According to the NY TIMES, the authorization for this has come right from top: Bush himself! It was back in July when President Bush secretly approved ground assaults inside Pakistan. According to the orders issued, Pakistan is to ‘notified’ when limited ground assaults are conducted inside the country but a permission will not be asked for!

Let’s reconfirm for our understanding… The United States Armed Forces will now cross, jump, fly, or walk over the border to shoot, bomb, kill, take captive, and/or investigate nationals of one of their most important allies in the war against terrorism WITHOUT seeking the country’s approval?

You got that right!

The news post also stated that while the Pakistani government had ‘privately assented’ to limited ground assaults by Special Forces, they did not approve of each and every mission. Does it really matter? If you have allowed them to step on Pakistani soil, you have given them the keys to your freedom already!

While our own President has been scorned for not openly condemning the raids by two dozen Navy Seals that were supported by an AC-130 gunship, an unusually sharp and straight-forward statement has emerged today from Pakistan’s Army Chief, General Ashfaq Parvez Kiyani that

No external force is allowed to conduct operations inside Pakistan! There is no question of any agreement or understanding with the coalition forces whereby they are allowed to conduct operations on our side of the border.

His statement not only questions the extent to which Pakistan will or has bent to support the United States in this war but also makes one wonder who is telling the truth. Did the Pakistan Army actually know of the new understanding with US Army regarding ‘inform but seek no permission’ raids or is this a move by Washington to create further mistrust and hatred for the Pakistan Armed forces in the country by alleging them to be fully aware and on board with their plans. Kiyani termed the commando action of September 3 as reckless and stupid. If nothing else, such attacks would not only widen the gap between US and Pakistan but also fuel more violent anti-American sentiments in Pakistan.

One might ask… where are the oh so vibrant protests, rallies and strikes against this open affront aggression by United States in Pakistan? Where are all the patriots of Pakistan who took to the streets when some one sitting in a different continent made mockery of our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), or when a single person’s actions were deemed oppressive and a threat to Pakistan’s freedom. Where are all those college and university students and their teachers who observed strikes to show they love their country and its freedom? Where is our media who deems to be Pakistani but has failed to raise qualitative awareness for this issue?

Is it because the main Islamic religious party, Jamia Ulema-e-Islam, led by Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman, is no longer in the opposition but a part of the governing coalition with the Pakistan Peoples Party?

Is it because our patriotic activists know they will not be ‘paid’ to take to the streets for this one?

Is it because our students fear they will not stand a chance to study abroad if they whine against US or that protesting for judiciary and open media is more exciting than standing against suicide bombings or invasions by foreign elements?

Is it because our media shudders at the thought of massive cuts in their pays if they bite the hand the feeds them?

The gloves are finally coming off… and pretty soon, we’ll all be naked!

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23 Responses to “The Gloves Come Off!”


  1. 1 Abid Zaidi
    September 12, 2008 at 9:44 am

    The gloves have indeed come off. I think it was about time our CoAS cleared his position and denounce the stories of “secret agreements” with US forces to operate inside Pakistan. The bigger problem is Zardari’s powers of removing CoAS. US feels more confident with Zardari there to “deliver” if Kiyani insists more on Army’s position.

  2. 2 Ghais
    September 12, 2008 at 9:46 am

    All this talk of not allowing anyone foreign forces inside Pakistan remind me of a joke. A guy was entering a mela when he saw a gaurd sardar ji on the gate. He asked if he can go inside. The sardar ji stated furiously that no one will be given the permission to go inside. The man started thinking what to do next when another man came and entered through the gate without asking the sardar ji and the sardar ji also didn’t budge a muscle. The first guy asked how come he went inside and you stopped me. Sardar ji replied ” O bhaliye lokiyo, he didn’t ask for permission therefore he can go inside but anyone who asks for permission will be not allowed”.

  3. 3 Kermit
    September 12, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Mr. Zaidi, Zardari will have to chew a lot more than what that maggot can swallow if he even thinks about removing the Chief of Pakistan Army in these senstive times. The scumbag has 14 % approval ratings only and he dare not try to shake the foundations of Pakistan’s most powerful institution. If he thinks he can survive a bid to overthrow the army’s stand at US border violations then he is in for a very very nasty and unpleasant surprise!

  4. 4 Bisma
    September 12, 2008 at 10:11 am

    General Kiyani spoke strongly yes but it is yet to be seen how the Army will counter the next time a US soldier sets foot on our soil.

  5. 5 Mushahid Ullah
    September 12, 2008 at 10:19 am

    This is an old game always played by US.
    1- US escalates two steps up
    2- Pakistan reacts back and US backs down one step, says it respects Pakistan’s sovereignty
    3- US waits till things calm down. Then CIA introduces more pointless talking points in Pakistani politics inciting anger within Pakistan
    4- Pakistanis start arguing and killing over it
    5- Now its time for next US escalation

    and the cycle continues

  6. 6 lestat
    September 12, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Zaradri doesnt have the balls to remove a strong army chief like kiyani. If Zardari is a shrewd rat, he maybe forgetting that he is dealing with the former chief of ISI AND a man who is well respected in US too for his clever and pragmatic thinking. If you even tries to do something to Kiyani, the military’s backlash would be so severe that neither him nor his government will stand a chance!

  7. 7 Kermit
    September 12, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Agree with you Mushahid. But I think the time to break this cycle has come! Pak-US relations are on thin ice right now. It is time for US to decide whether THEY ARE WITH US OR AGAINST US!

  8. 8 Ali
    September 12, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    fools like Kermit and Fauzan who always peed in their bins never realized that whatever happening these days is due to Musharraf’s US as s licking policies:

    http://tinyurl.com/mush-traitor

    It’s time to execute Musharraf. It won’t make any difference though but atleast Pakistanis might feel a bit better.

  9. September 13, 2008 at 6:42 am

    Ali, I don’t blame you for your naive whims. It’s the blind little lamb in you that has been herded by your so called beloved politicians and lawyers and judges that is yapping about here. It is time to stop using the lame old excuse of Musharraf for everything that has happened or is happening. Your so called DEMOCRATIC leadership didn’t even have the balls to stand up against US and say that such incursions in our country will not be tolerated. The statement that General Kiyani gave SHOULD HAVE COME FROM OUR PRESIDENT! Granted Musharraf made mistakes in his tenure but hey, at least he had the guts to say what he wanted to say… to people’s face. He didn’t hide behind any one and said, “Yes yes, I agree to what he is saying too!”

    And you have shown how MATURE you are by your own statement:

    “It won’t make any difference though but atleast Pakistanis might feel a bit better.”

    The likes of you have come and gone on WeCite without making more than a ripple because people who read this site know that we are blunt and we don’t BS about current affairs! Go join a procession for the judges or something and stop wasting your time here. This place is for people who care about the threats facing Pakistan!

  10. 10 Ali
    September 13, 2008 at 10:06 am

    Fauzan beyta as if your old musharraf got big balls(donkey size) to say anything to US? if you know english a bit you would be able to read that how Musharraf signed a deal to allow your daddy US to invade Pakistan anywhere anytime. I don’t consider Zardari mafia saint either but putting whole blame to new govt and considering your Donkey size balls Musharraf innocent is pretty lame. Don’t forget that your uncle Musharraf sold Aafia to your Daddy Musharraf for sake of few dollars and now he is spending those dollars at Chak Shahzad.

    Face the reality or hide in bin.

    “how MATURE you ”

    My statement might be immature but not more immature than what Musharraf has done with this country. Tell me, are you born ignorant your home education made you like that? Just wondering!

  11. 11 Shoaib
    September 13, 2008 at 10:29 am

    People who oppose Musharraf are either those who despite their countless attempts to kiss a** did not get in to his good books or those who are too bored in their lives. Ali you are an exact specimen of such a sorry tale. The likes of you will take any thing off topic and your only aim is to drag in Musharraf some way or any way. The topic under discussion here is the boldness of the United States to make such statements now. Not just make them but show by example and do an operation openly inside Pakistan too. Who ever mentioned Musharraf in all this? No one but you.

    Stick to the topic please.

  12. 12 Kermit
    September 13, 2008 at 10:34 am

    I’m sorry Ali but your rants are meaningless and so are your proposals to have Musharraf killed. You know you can’t do any thing more than just sit on your fat butt behind a computer screen and type away which is sad. Musharraf wasn’t the best man in town. There is truth in that but somewhere down the line, things started getting personal and too childish when it came to him. You say he offered bases to CIA. He might have but to imagine what a certain Benazir or Nawaz Sharif would have done had they been in power when 9/11 happened is unimaginable. Musharraf may be the an evil but he was the lesser evil in a country where everyone wants to have the share of the spoils.

  13. 13 Ali
    September 13, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Fauzan

    the worth of Army in eyes of US:

    http://baithak.blogspot.com/2008/09/this-heading-in-daily-times-should-read.html

    the guy is so right! Kayani can only bark, have no balls to do anything at all

    @kermit: kiss my (fat) butt if you are so obsessed.

  14. 14 Phantom
    September 13, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Ali you are the one who is barking here. Such a shame that instead of condemning Zardari and Gillani for not standing up to the US as it was expected from a democratic government, you ridicule the only man who had the courage to say some thing. Shame on you really.

  15. 15 Platinum786
    September 13, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    You sound like a sikh where you think that hair is going to gift you some sort of powers. You further compound on that stereotype by displaying the intellect of a sardar. We have a government, any move anyone makes needs to be ordered by it. Isn’t that the democracy that Pakistanis wanted? Tell me? Why would the army react without government orders? Who’s government is it; the government hand picked by the people of Pakistan. So don’t ridicule the Army if your own government doesn’t take a stand!

  16. 16 Shaheen
    September 13, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    @Ali

    –>the guy is so right! Kayani can only bark, have no balls to do anything at all

    Do you expect the army to declare war itself? War has to be declared by the state, the order to return fire has to be declared by the state! Stop being a spoilt little kid. Grow up!

  17. 17 lestat
    September 14, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Ali you are probably half Afghan or half Indian because a true Pakistani would stop digging old graves and look to the present and the future! What’s your next retort? That the Army allowed US incursions in the past?

    For your information there has never been an incursion on Pakistani territory by US forces when the Pakistani army was in charge. There was 1 incursion on Pakistani territory when the current government was in charge with the previous president and the armed forces fought back as they were directly fired upon.

    Now the government and the presidency is under total democratic control, there has been no order from the government to prevent any US incursion, even after the last event! If we look into the past we can go thousands of years into the past. The problem we face is right now. The government is not instructing the army to retaliate.

    Even when they retaliate on the Indian border, the order comes from government and the government gives permission. That is how a “democratic” state works, enjoy it.

  18. 18 Green Oracle
    September 14, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Ali bachay you need to learn to stop confusing nazims and army first. The armed forces are not suppose to care for sentiments that we said this but didn’t do. We didn’t say anything, a moron named Zardari dictated to sherry what to say, and she assigned another democrat to release a press statement – The Army didn’t say it.

    Army goes by PAKISTAN FIRST. They also use brains to analyze the situation and strength. US is not invading Pakistan, but going after our own enemies, why should the army use another strategy to puncture herself? Yeah, 2 out of 10 times the US used bad intelligence and innocent people were killed, but that doesn’t mean Pak will launch an offensive against the US forces.
    They won’t go after US forces, as then US will retaliate and strike further deep, and possibly invade the areas Pakistan Army are striking from.

    Nawaz and Zardari are only good for sentiment.

    Army sees things in the better/larger interest, not individual sentiments.

  19. 19 Jawaad Bashir
    September 14, 2008 at 12:18 am

    So it now it comes down to this, they can come over and order air strikes on our people on our very own soil. Things are now at their lowest point for a long time. These ba*tards should have been cut down the moment they stepped over. The pathetic state of this criminal government exacerbates the situation. Instead of condemnations, they made excuses, saying they were acting on the wrong intelligence!

    The army should act and must act now.

  20. September 14, 2008 at 2:25 am

    Ali, first of all army does not “defend” the land where they have to get mobile and reach the location. They have to get orders from the top ranks to move in. Army does not defend unless they are hit upon directly on their post.

    Secondly, If the orders from the president is coming like “dont do anything”, army wont go on their own and do something.

    Finally, blame the heads of gov. and not the army. Army is just the tool that carries the orders. You forget this again and again, but the truth is that the army is like a big stupid robot (that goes for all the armies of the world). It will fall and break down but will not back off from doing what the remote control is directing it to do. Blame the controller and not the robot.

    I am kind of sitting and watching. Lets see what goes on in future.

  21. September 25, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    wow… this happens all over the pakistani blogosphere. people with weak linguistic skills are flogged mercilessly by the purveyors of cool. yeah, ali had some dumb points. but to negate him, people at this blog have risen as one to praise the army for all that is their worth. statements like the army always keeps pakistan first and what not. allow me to remind you that the army was caught for dealing drugs, the army was caught selling pakistani citizens, the army was guilty for giving up half the nation and not even firing one shot to save it.

    i liked mushie, i don’t think he’s to blame for everything. but lets not get blind to reality. the army has had its history of raping this country just as many times as they have saved it. it is not a monolith, it has had its own characters who have had very different effects on us. for all of us who love mushie, i can almost guarantee that they would have hated like under zia. i doubt anyone can truly support both leaders of the military, just because there are so many differences.


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