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Jul
07

Rasheed Ghazi-Govt remain adamnt as Lal Masjid Standoff continues

We have entered in to the third day of the Lal Masjid standoff and although thousands of students (male and female) along with children have surrendered to the forces, there are still hundreds inside in the leadership of Abdul Rasheed Ghazi not willing to come out. According to various media sources reporting round the clock on the happenings around Lal Masjid, there are hundreds of women and children still inside that are being held against their will as a ‘human shield’ and a ‘bargaining element’ with the government. This statement has been cited by several of the women and children who have managed to come out and surrender to the forces amidst heavy gun fire and shelling for the past three days or so.

Rasheed Ghazi has been changing his statements quicker than you can say ‘Lal Masjid’ and his latest conditions for calling an end to this stand off are as follows:

1- Rasheed Ghazi will hand over the control and management of the Lal Masjid and its two adjoining madrassas to the religious representatives and clerics of the country

2- All currently inside the compounds and resisting the forces should undergo a verification and scrutiny routine as soon as they come out and all those who do not have any cases against them should be allowed to go home there and then.

3- Rasheed Ghazi should not be taken to any prison or court and should be allowed to live in the ‘hujra’ in the mosque with his mother for a few days so that he can make arrangements to leave for his village and no charges should be brought against him. Furthermore, he should not be humiliated like his elder brother Aziz Ghazi.

Late last night, Dr. Shahid Masood and Kamran Khan at Geo News network did their very best to mediate a truce and understanding between Rasheed Ghazi and the govt by putting both of them on the phone together however the efforts rendered futile as the government is not willing to negotiate the terms of letting Rasheed Ghazi go without answering to all the cases lodged against him and Rasheed Ghazi is not willing to budge from the conditions mentioned above.

The standoff continues with sporadic and heavy firing from either side. Rasheed Ghazi’s claim that his ‘student’ are only equipped with licensed weapons has come as a lie after a rocket launcher was fired at an APC (Armored Personnel Carrier) from inside the Red Mosque.

For more details on the history of this issue, you can check here

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37 Responses to “Rasheed Ghazi-Govt remain adamnt as Lal Masjid Standoff continues”


  1. 1 khuarram
    July 6, 2007 at 10:20 am

    They know that they have now lost the battle to a stronger force surrounding them so now they are making silly demands to gain sympathy of the public.

  2. 2 maliha
    July 6, 2007 at 10:27 am

    I just hope everyone involved in this practices restraint and innocent lives are not lost in the process. Both the official forces and the militants should cease this gun battle and give more importance to the value of human life than their personal goals and egos.

  3. 3 proactive
    July 6, 2007 at 10:33 am

    Why should there be any negotiations or talks with those who have not wanted to talk for the past 5 months. It is very typical of these cowards to now make useless and unrealistic demands when they know all their aces are gone. I suggest the rangers and army keep shelling the compounds and keep applying the pressure and sooner or later those inside will not have any food, water, arms and spirits. They will be forced to come out because unlike the army and the government they can not restock themselves. This will be the ideal way to resolve this issue when the clerics are not in any mood to come out if their childish demands are not met.

  4. 4 khwaja idrees
    July 6, 2007 at 10:36 am

    If the government had not made a joke out of Molana Abdul Aziz Ghazi then we would not be seeing this situation right now. They (government) are reaping what they have sown themselves. And also why are they damaging a masjid in the first place???? Do they not know how big a gunnah it is to martyr the house of Allah??? answer me this any one???

  5. 5 Shumaila
    July 6, 2007 at 10:39 am

    watever has happened in the last 2 days has been very depressing for the whole nation and the muslim world. we have become a laughing stock in the eyes of the entire world because we let this thing linger on for months without taking any action and now we are not willing to agree to their demands to end the bloodshed and save thousands of lives. if the army kills these people they will have to pay a heavy price as outrage will spread everywhere.

  6. 6 proactive
    July 6, 2007 at 11:20 am

    ‘If the government had not made a joke out of Molana Abdul Aziz Ghazi then we would not be seeing this situation right now.’
    Khwaja if it had not been this than they would have picked out on any other excuse to stay steadfast to their demands. They have their backs against the walls and know that they only way to emerge winners in this problem is to get they sympathy of everyone watching these events. Dont forget that these people always talked about enforcing shariat and true islam in the country and always favored the taliban-style regime no matter WHAT happens. Where are those demands now? Rasheed is a very shrewd and clever guy and he knows how to play with words and situations and he is doing exactly the same to get sympathy for a lost cause.
    ‘And also why are they damaging a masjid in the first place????’
    Why dont you ask those who are firing arms and wepons from INSIDE the masjid in the first place? Arent they damaging the reputaion of the house of God by using it as nothing more than a fort and an excuse? If they had any genuine concerns about the mosque and the copies of Holy Quran inside the mosque, they could have easily sent it out with the thousands of people who surrendered so that they could have been secured to safety. It is all a gimmick. An excuse to say that look these people are damaging religious property and we are doing nothing at all.

  7. 7 mehek
    July 8, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    I wonder why we all are so afraid of talking about islam,why we become so defensive whenever anyone talks about islam or shariah?There has been so much emphasis on the issue of children and women being hijacked by the people inside the masjid.If they had been really hijacked,how do u think that 1000s of people would have escaped from that and surrendered to the Govt.?pity on us.We are not only encouraging the armed forces to attack the masjid(where kufar can’t be even hurt by muslims if they come for refuge in masjid according to Hazrat Muhammad(pbuh),but also calling people fighting for the cause of Islam terrorists,we are such a strange nation that we support Chief Justice in the name of “freedom of justice” but stand against people who wants shariah rules to be implemented in the country.Islam doesn’t give the concept of nation on the basis of piece of land but on the basis of religion.Even if we forget this,how can we forget that Pakistan came into being for the muslims so that they can live their lives according to shariah,why do we always forget the “Islamic Republic” while talking about Pakistan.In Surah Nisa,people fighting with their lives and wealth for Allah can never be equal to those who are sitting in their homes.May Allah almighty gives us enough wisdom to differentiate between right and wrong.

  8. 8 rashid
    July 8, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    mehek do you honestly think these mullahs are fighting in the name of islam? there are no confirmed reports that there are wanted national and international terrorists inside. what do you say about that ? are these globally wanted criminals fighting in the name of islam? perhaps if you had any of your family members held up inside you would have a different opinion. i feel disappointed when my own brothers and sisters of this country side up with these terrorists. a serial killer from chakwal is also a muslim. does that mean that being a muslim and our brother we should let him do what he does? no of course we dont. then how can you expect the government to let these people go freely ?

  9. 9 mehek
    July 9, 2007 at 6:34 pm

    Yes mr. rashid,i really think that these people are fihting for the cause of Islam.Allah almighty knows the secrets of hearts(if Khudanakhasta,they have some other cause) but as much as I know all this scenario,I feel that they are right.I don’t wana argue about this but still I’ll be grateful to u if u give it a thought just for a moment,how come so many people came outside and surrendered themselves to the Govt. when they were the hostages or human shield for the people inside the masjid?and why have only 160 people so far been released so far by the Govt. out of those 1200 surrenderers,taken into custody by the Govt.?As you yourself said,”there are no confirmed reports that there are wanted national and international terrorists inside” then why are they being treated as terrorists?are they really terrorists or just people are being made people believe it to be true by the sarcastic and critical tone of media people?

  10. 10 mehek
    July 9, 2007 at 6:35 pm

    Yes mr. rashid,i really think that these people are fighting for the cause of Islam.Allah almighty knows the secrets of hearts(if Khudanakhasta,they have some other cause) but as much as I know all this scenario,I feel that they are right.I don’t wana argue about this but still I’ll be grateful to u if u give it a thought just for a moment,how come so many people came outside and surrendered themselves to the Govt. when they were the hostages or human shield for the people inside the masjid?and why have only 160 people so far been released so far by the Govt. out of those 1200 surrenderers,taken into custody by the Govt.?As you yourself said,”there are no confirmed reports that there are wanted national and international terrorists inside” then why are they being treated as terrorists?are they really terrorists or just people are being made believe it to be true by the sarcastic and critical tone of media people?

  11. 11 Akber Ali
    July 10, 2007 at 9:00 pm

    Lal Masjid is not at all an Islamic issue, rather this is Pak Army’s survival issue. This was Pakistan’s Army Topi Darama. Don’t forget that the west is duffer and believe that Musharraf is really after terrorists, but I am sorry to say that west is unable to understand the conspirator minded Musharraf. West is forgetting that Pak Army is much more terroist that Lal Masjid. Every body knows that Mushharf needs western support to remain president so he deliberately created this situation. The question is
    1. How comes this Lal Masjid molvis had valid KK licenses, the molvis were living VVIP life
    2. Who was funding Lal Masjid
    3. Why Army, Intellegence agencies and police did not see this
    4. Why there are many other such Masajid in Islamabad i.e. in G-10, E-7, and i-9.
    5. My dear brothers and sisters believe me that Pakistan Army take 70% of our budget, and they are unanswerable to any authority (civilian), and they want Poor Pakistani people to suffer from hunger, health related problems, education etc etc
    6. I mean look at the current CJ saga – what Pakistani army did

    So to cut short – Pakistani Army always creates such problems. Pakistan is like a chess or strategy game from them and the west is duffer.

  12. July 11, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    it has been a serious issue ralated 2 Islam puzzled the whole Islamic world.But unfortunately nobody came out 2 save the innocent humanity

  13. 13 Amjad
    July 11, 2007 at 7:31 pm

    Ghazi is gone, now his case is with AllMighty. I pray for his Shahadat, Rahmat and Maghfirat from Allah.

    I pray the same for all the rest of Victims.

    For us, it’s a moment to think, let’s why not change our life styles. Let’s everyone pay more attention on Masajid-Allah, and Madaris, let’s make them even more populous, let’s start reducing ourselves from Dunya, and rush towards Akhira

    All what has been happening during last 24 hours, who was joyous?, Mush, Bush, Blayor, and Shayateen, If we do the same, where will we find ourselves in Aakhira….Think!

    I offer all of you to read the Quran which says…in Baqara
    Waman Azlamo mim mammana masajid allah -e-
    Ainyuzkarafeehasmahu
    wa sa’aa fee kharabiha

    Olaika ma kana lahum ain yadkhulooha
    illa khaifeen

    Lahum fiddunya khizyun
    walahum fil akhirate AZABUN ALEEM

    refer to someone you respect if you need translation.

  14. 14 Amjad
    July 11, 2007 at 7:46 pm

    I appologize all of you for a typographic error while quoting an ayat from Soorat-e-Baqara

    the correction is as follows

    Lahum fiddunya khizyun
    walahum fil akhirate AZABUN AZEEM

  15. 15 Amjad
    July 11, 2007 at 8:02 pm

    Here is the translation for those who are interested:
    2:114 “And who is more unjust than he who forbids that in places for the worship of Allah, Allah’s name should be celebrated?-whose zeal is (in fact) to ruin them? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them except in fear. For them there is nothing but disgrace in this world, and in the world to come, an exceeding torment. ”

    Let’s beware !
    we dont fall in that category of people who neither devote time & resources for Masajidallah & Madaris nor would wish other people doing the same.

    Wama Alaina Illal Balagh
    You can write to me Amjad.Mahmoood at gmail

  16. 16 Nadeem Aizad Khosa
    July 11, 2007 at 10:12 pm

    In late 60s the Lal Masjid was founded by the Father of Shaheed Abdul Rasheed Ghazi, since then there was no problem for Pakistan from this Madarsa and Masjid. Since in the begning of this year Govt of Demalished some Mosques in Islamabad then Shaheed Ghazi protested against this unislamic action and demanded only the re-building of the said Mosques. Govt instead of reconstructions of the Mosques , also demalish the Lal Mosque and Jamia Hafza too. Further more Govt killed a large people who were only demanding the right things. From both ends the people killed are Shaeed. If Mr. Bush says to Muslim leaders ‘ You have done a great job ‘ . then all can easily understand the job done is in the favor of Bush not Muslims. May Allah save Islam and Pakistan too. Ameen

  17. 17 Tanveer Qureshi
    July 12, 2007 at 1:49 am

    I think true Islam is far away from LAL MASJID. This is not Islam. We are supposed to be tolerant people. Look at our Prophet (pbuh). He was a mercy to mankind. Who are we to impose our restrictions on other people.

    I do understand that Bush is the biggest evil. But that does not mean we as muslims fall into that trap and behave like this. We muslims are so emotional when it comes to issues like lal masjid. People who commit wrong believing that they are doing it in the name of Islam is absolutely wrong. Islam does not allow killing of innocent people. It is the most advanced religion in the world and yet look at the mullahs who have kept their people in the dark. Jihad is a struggle for what you believe. Not simply blowing yourself up. Martin Luther King also did jihad. How can you have a mosque in which there are weapons like rocket launchers and KKs. How can they kidnap police officers and chinese citizens. What happenned to the country’s laws? What gives them the right to make their own laws and act on them. We are living in a society where everybodys individual rights have to be taken into account. Islam is truly the best religion with the worst followers

  18. 18 mehek
    July 12, 2007 at 11:53 am

    I completely agree with Tanveer Qureshi that Islam does not allow killing of innocent people.and he is also right that Islam is truly the best religion with the worst followers. Thousands of muslims were killed inside the masjid and we are still quiet,still arguing whether they were really mujahid or terrorists. Jihad is not a struggle of what u believe.Jihad is the fight to spread Islam.Our Propeht(pbuh) was a mercy to the mankind,and he led all his life to spread Islam,when Prophethood was bestowed upon him.He asked the people to refrain from wrong doings,to refrain from drugs,adultery,gambling and all that has been forbidden in Islam.Wasn’t he imposing restrictions on others? In Surah Asar,it has been mentioned”Walasr,In nal insaana lafi khusr.Il lal lajeena aaminoo was aamiloosuale hate wa tawasau bilhaq e wa tawasau bisabr.By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),Verily Man is in loss, Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience.” Then what has happened to us. PLease wake up muslims! Please open up ur eyes to see the reality. According to a hadith,if you see something wrong,stop it by using ur hand,if u can’t do it,then stop it by ur tongue,and even if u can’t do it then at least consider it wrong in ur hearts and verily this is the lowest stage of faith.May Allah almighty guide us to the right path.

  19. 19 Tanveer Qureshi
    July 12, 2007 at 12:39 pm

    Mehek, i am sorry to disagree with you. The Quran mentions many times saying to the Prophet (pbuh) to just give the message. There is no compulsion in religion. You cannot force. Jihad is not a fight to spread Islam. Islam is not spread by the sword. Its the kindness and tolerance that Islam teaches that would make a non muslim ask, “what is this religion that is so kind and tolerant and logical”. I do agree with you that we Muslims, should wake up and become the true ambassadors of Islam. NOT PREACHING AND ITCHING TO CONVERT EVERYONE. Lets focus on oursleves first and try to become better human beings and be kind to others no matter who they are. Let others follow us by looking at our actions NOT our forced struggle to spread Islam. We are not the caretakers of this religion. Allah is. He is the most merciful. We are all His creation. Muslims, hindus, jews, christians, all of us.

  20. 20 Amjad
    July 12, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    Thanks Mehek.
    You said all what I wanted to say.

    Just as an endorsement words from me :

    Razeeto Billah e Rabbaown
    Wa Bil ISLAM e Deenaown
    Wa Bi Muhammadin Sallallaho Alaihe Waslam NABIYYA

    Wa Salamun Ala Manitaba al HUDA

    For Shohada-e-Lal Masjid and else where
    I present poetry of Maulana Arif-ul-Husainee who wrote this for Hazrat Yousuf Ludhianvi Shaheed:

    Quba-e-Noor say Saj Kar
    Lahoo sey Ba wazoo ho kar

    Wo pohnchay Barghahe HAQ main
    Kitnay surkhuroo ho kar

    Farishtay Aasman say unkay Istaqbal ko utray
    Chalay unkay Jilaow main Ba Adab Ba Abroo Ho Kar

    Jahan-e-Rango Boo say Mawira hai Manzilay Janan
    Wo guzray is Jahan sey Bayniaz-e-Rang-o-boo Ho kar

    Jihad-e-Feesabilillah Nasbul Ain tha unka
    shahdat ko taraptay thay sarapa Aarzoo ho kar

    Mujahid Sar kataney kay liyyay Tayyar Rehta Hay
    keh ser afraz hota hay wo khanjar dar galoo ho kar.

  21. 21 Amjad
    July 12, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    Mr. Tanveer Qureshi, It’s good that we are at least talking and listening to each other “open mindedly”.

    I would disagree with you on your point “which are valid” but yet mislocated.

    Muslims today are struggling to become “good muslims”. The definition of “good muslims” is clearly stated in Quran and Ahadith. TAQWA is the keyword. There are stages of TAQWA, you know. The higher the stage of ones TAQWA the closer he is to RABBULIZZAT.

    Quran Also warns muslims to be ware about Yahood & Nasara & Mushrikeens & Kuffar.

    Rasool sallalah-o-alaihe-e-wasallam also told clearly to muslims that if you spend your lives according to aghyar, kuffar & mushrikeen then your hashr will be with them.

    We cannot give hidayat to any body, nobody can do this, but Allah.

    We can do preaching “not to give hidayat to others” but to benefit ourselves, as this act of tableegh-e-deen makes ourselves closer to Allah subhanahoo Wataala. And to become closer to our RAB must be The Target for every muslim. That is achieved by becoming a practicing muslim.

    Who is “A practicing muslim” again refer to Quran & Ahadis

    One of the key Quality/feature of practicing muslim is that he is more focused to Akhirat and least concerned to pleasures of Dunya.

    Another valuable element is
    As said by Allah in Quran (Translation below)
    Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

    It requires a lot of courage (taufeeq from Allah) to say “NO” to the coercive forces of Kufr & Taghoot. Very few examples of this kind of Iman & Yaqeen are found nowadays, but plenty such things you can find in Sahabah & Tabayeen.

    As far as your point of “imposing of our believes on others” is concerned it’s actually the tone of west. We muslims understand them, what agenda they are working with.

    The fact is that the imposition blame should be from muslims, its they who have been foced to accept western life style which is against Islam.

    Example:
    We feel problem when somebody says that while praying try to follow our Rasool(PBUH), keep your ankles & feet uncovered.

    But when barmuda shorts are offered to us, we have no objection, knowing that Satr of a Man is below his knees and it’s Haram to wear clothes which don’t cover the Satr.

    If we mold/amend Islam to fit in to our Nafs (self interests) then it’s no longer Islam.

    We have to accept all what has reached us from Allah & Rasool, that only that is CORRECT 100% .

    If we donot understand some thing we must refer to Ullama-e-Haq (they are going to tell us , what is Halal & what is Haram). Instead of doing this, most of us keep on insulting them (Mulla, Mullah…Mullah). Quran says…

    Zuyyina lil lazeena kafarul Hayatud DUNYA , wa yas kharoona minal lazeen Amanoo,

    Allah has decorated the DUNYA’s living for KUFFARs
    Kuffars make a rudicule of Ahlul Iman

    WallazeenaTaqao Faoqahum Youmul Qiyamah
    Those who adopt TAQWA will be far ahead from those (who made a rudicule of them) in the Day of Judgement.

    I pray Allah swt to bless all muslims with TAQWA.

    I pray for all muslim brothers & sisters who have left their luxurious houses and devoted their lives , times & resources for ALLAH, Rasool & ISLAM for every success in Dunya and Aakhira.

  22. 22 Tanveer Qureshi
    July 12, 2007 at 11:27 pm

    My brother Amjad. I really like what you say. BUT its still YOUR opinion and YOUR belief. Which is fine and great. Me being a muslim I totally agree with you. We should try and achieve a high level of Taqwa. But Taqwa does not mean leaving all the good things in this world. The Prophet (PBUH) also said to go as far as China to learn and to educate ourselves.
    As muslims we have our beliefs which we may propagate in kind manners. Preaching is also ok. But you cannot take the law into your own hands. You cannot force people to think like you. You can only do this though intellectual debates and arguments. If you see someone doing haram, Talk to him and explain to him. Make him understand and try and get him on the right path. But you cannot just start to lash him. Its not a matter of western ideas or muslim ideas. Its a matter of convincing him how good Islam is. That he will only see by looking at you. Covering your feet and wearing bermuda shorts have nothing to do with anything.

  23. 23 Ishtiaq Ahmed
    July 13, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Dear All,
    I was surfing and was in search for the pics of Abdur Rasheed Ghazi and luckily m here now…

    Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters………. I m really very upset on the great loss of great people because they really fought for the noble cause of islam.. There are many muslim brothers and sisters who are happy and feeling satisfied on what the govt did with the people of Lal Masjid… I feel very shy when a muslim brother or sister say this…
    Dear all, I think in this world the great gift of Allah subhan wa tala is the life and its the most precious thing after imaan(Faith) and yaqeen…. i beleive in 1 thing and thats the life hereafter… We have only 2 destinations…
    1- Jannat (Heaven)
    2- Jahannam (Hell)

    Each and every step that we r taking in this world is taking us towards jannat or jahannam… there is no third destination…. Jannat is the place and is the gift of Allah for those people who surrender to Allah in true sense….. not like todays muslims who can just recite Kalma and act like non-muslims… True sense means True sense…
    Now coming to the point…… Allah will never ask from Ghazi Abdur Rasheed that ” “Yaar pakistan may democracy thi to tum nay kyun itna zid kia mairay deen ki khatir…. Musharraf and federal ministers were also fighting for islam and terrorism y u didn’t surrender to those True muslims who did alot for islam…”” But this is my faith my imaan that Ghazi Abdur Rasheed will be awarded by Allah for his jehad that he did against Pervaizee and against so called muslims who love their seats more than their relegion.. InshAllah

    No foreigners were in Lal Masjid….. no mines…… nothing but Govt. had to do its job and they have done… Forcing the madrassas “Islamic Schools” to act as govt. say i think its also not fair… but who cares??

  24. 24 Amjad
    July 13, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    Dear Brother Ishtiaq,

    I appreciate your comments, you are honestly expressing your concepts and feelings. And its good that we both are talking and listening with due respect to each other. this is basically Islamic value, all Muslims are brothers, and not only just brothers Allah says Ruhama’o Bainahum. But another feature equally endorsed by Allah for Muslims is “Extremism” that is “Ashiddao AllalKuffar”…. [enlighened] muslims should pay attention , The more we hate Kufr, Shirk, Nifaq & Shayateen, the closer we will be to Allah, Allah swt likes us to be so. you cannot ride in two boats at a time. you have to draw a firm, solid line, kill your nafs, and render yourself to Allah by saying

    Innas Salatee wa nusukee, wa mahyaya, wa mamatee lillahi RABBIL ALAMEEN

    I am not telling this off my own thoughts, it what we have to believe in order to be muslims

    Islam is not a theory like Micheal Porter or Kottler who says your survival depends on your customer. Islam says The Rizk is pre-determined the day a baby is born.

    For Muslims the beauties of life is associated with their worship, IMAN & Taqwa, Hidayat. If you have these you enjoy the life no matter you are under siege in Afghanistan, Baghdad, Palastine or in Islamabad.

    Muslims case is completely different. If they do a virtue, they do it for Allah Alone, not to get applause from people. If people make a laughter on them, or treat them in insulting manner, they don’t care. Sabr pe Ajr Hai

    Today was friday, I went to a mosque nearby my office, the Khateeb/Aalim clarified many things with respect to lal masjid.

    He said in our Islamic history many examples are found in which youngsters had difference of opinion to their elders, the biggest example was Imam Hussain, when he opted to go to Koofa, Many elder sahaba’s tried to persuade him not to go to koofa, some clearly warned “we are affraid you will be killed!”, but Hazrat Imam Hussain did not accept. Allah bestowed him with Shahdat.

    For attempting an escape from siege
    a well-known example can also be given (Hijrat-e-Rasool)

    Islam is a complete code of life,
    if one can open up his eyes….

    Allama Iqbal said
    SHAHADAT HAI MAQSOOD MATLOOB MOMIN
    NA MAL-E-GHANEEMAT NA KISHWER KUSHAEE

  25. 25 Amjad
    July 13, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    Dear Brother Ishtiaq,

    I am sorry I wanted to address my previous post to Mr. Tanveer Qureshi, Please pardon me I wrote your name by mistake.

    Dear Mr. Tanveer Qureshi please read my previous post, it was intended for you.

  26. 26 Amjad
    July 13, 2007 at 6:15 pm

    Pakistan’s president deserves praise for his raid on a mosque, a U.S. Jewish leader said.

    You can expect a similar statement from Salman Rushdie, soon.

    Let’s see when UK gives an Knightage to Sir Musharraf

  27. 27 Tanveer Qureshi
    July 15, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    Please dont confuse Iman and and martydom with terrorism in the name of Islam. Religion is the best way to train young children who have nothing and turn them into intolerant people. I have had the opportunity to meet many spiritual leaders and have done my research on Islam.

    Imam Hussain’s Islam was very different to this Taliban style Islam that Moulana Ghazi’s propagtates. Ofcourse the end road is Jannat or Jahannam. So let each person go where his deeds take him. You just make sure you stay on the right course and stop worrying for everyone else. Allah guides his people and everyone has a like to Him.

    Most of these Mullahs are there for their own power trip. Not all (most) and its sad because just like Musharraf, they also want their power. Its good that you have strong beliefs and opinions. They are YOUR opionions and your beliefs. And if you really feel that you want to help others and warn them, then speak to them and explain to them in the right way with kindness.

    Whether Moulana Ghazi is a martyr or not, is not my judgement nor yours. Its only Allah’s call.

  28. 28 Amjad
    July 15, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    I qoute you, you have said:
    Allah guides his people and everyone has a like to Him.

    As far as my knowledge of Islam is Concerned (correct me, if I am wrong):
    Yahdi maiynyasha-o- wa-yudillo mainyasha

    Example of Ameer Hamza Razi Allah-o- Anh (uncle of Rasool) for hidayat
    Example of Abu-Jahl (another uncle of Rasool) for Zdalalah

    Is there any doubt that Abu-Jahl will be Jahannami……? NO!
    Why is there no doubt… We learnt it from Sunnah/Hadith/FIQH…

    Please refer back to your previous posts, you said..
    Martin Luther King also did jihad

    I bet you… can you prove it? you cannot prove it, for a muslim died you have already said ‘It’s only Allah’s judgement, not yours or mine’

    Is it not funny, for a non-muslim Martin Luther King for whom Allah clearly said in quran
    Habitat Amaluhum fid DUNYA wal Akhira
    That is… They are going to be loser in this world and the other world
    and it’s horrible you assosiate JIHAD (a pure Islamic honour) to a curse-bearer

    And for a muslim who died in a JIHAD (you believe it or not, Allah has made it as clear as daylight) you are not willing to accept the honor he got with the grace of ALLAH.

    Just tell me aren’t you bias for westerners!. Why must we blindly support the elements who have a clear agenda against Ummat-e-Rasool

    Is there anything you find missing in Islam

    I don’t want to make you angry Mr. Qureshi, I respect you a lot. I respect your research of Islam which you have mentioned, meeting with spiritual people is also great.

    Being a muslim it’s obligatory not to say about Allah or Rasool Sallalah-o-Alaihe Wasallam some thing for which you cannot give a referrence to (Quran or Hadith – with endorsement from Ulama-e-Haq).

    It’s very easy to criticise on the basis of information we received from media.
    There are many things you are probably unaware, because pakistani & anti-Islamic organizations were holding the whole sceen with secrecy. There are parents of little girls and boys still in search of them, wondering whether they are alive or not, no body is there to entertain their queries.

    Think of the devastation, I guarrantee you no body was held in madarsa against his will, If I were there, i would have also tried to stay there until the max level of my faith. We have seen people have surrendered in large numbers, it was expected. It was a test from Allah, some people achieved A-Grade Reward was Shahadat, some B and some C, and some must have been FAILED down-right.

    You are right we cannot take Allah’s job of rewarding the deceased ones in our hand. But again Islam guides us, you must have heard a hadith, “If some one goes Five times to Musjid, you are supposed to treat him as Sahib-e-Iman”

    The philosophy is that it’s only Taufeeq from Allah if one can do a virtue or refrain from a sin, And reporting to masjid on every call of MOAZZIN is not a tinzy-vinzy job. I can honestly tell you my own experience. I tried to do a Bait (become a mureed) of a spiritual person in Karachi. He refused me, I insisted!
    He said you cannot fulfill the requirements. I asked him, let me know the requirement.
    He said go home, and come to me after 40 days making sure you don’t lose Takbeer-e-OOLA.
    Believe me it’s almost 100 days I could not manage it. Sometimes I get late in one prayer sometimes other.

    I hope I am not boring you , my point is before raising insulting fingers to others we should know about ourself.

    I respect Ghazi because I believe he was a Momin, far better than me. The above mentioned hadith may serve a basis for me.

    Allah has clearly said in Quran
    We want to know who sticks to Prophet’s path, and who turns back and rejects the Prophet’s way, And no doubt to follow Rasool is very hard, but not so difficult for Ahlul-Iman

    Even if we are wrong, we can expect mercy from Allah because our action has got clear reference of abovementioned Hadith & Quran verses.
    And the entire Islam is based on Quran & Sunnah.

    Mr. Qureshi, do tell me in what terms you feel I am wrong, after all I am a human being, May Allah Bless all of us with Rehmat & Maghfirat.

  29. 29 Tanveer Qureshi
    July 16, 2007 at 8:23 pm

    Dear Brother Amjad. Thank you for your reply. Indeed may Allah bless us all and forgive us if we say something out of our own ignorance.

    As far as your first statement is concerned, regarding Hazrat Hamza being guided and Abu Jahl in hell (NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT). Let me tell you. It is Allah that guides all of us. Except those who are bent on rejecting the truth, these are the ones whose hearts are sealed by Allah and they are doomed. Abu Jahl was a true kafir fighting with our Prophet (PBUH)

    Let me start off with a Quote from the Holy Quran

    [2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

    Allah makes it clear in this verse that even the Christians who believe and do good deeds (belief in one God and the hearafter) will be taken care of.

    You mention that Martin Luther King was a kafir. I would like to know from you if you can prove that he was a kafir is the eyes of Allah?

    He may be or maybe not. I do not know and do not have the authority to judge him. But I will tell you something. He has made a difference in the lives of millions of black people. He struggled for a cause he believed in and convinced other people. How is he a kafir? please tell me. What is a kafir according to the above verse.

    You and I are previledged to be Muslims. To be born in muslim families. Think about someone who is born in a non muslim place. Do you think that Allah will judge him the same way He will judge us?

    Allah is the Most Just and Most Merciful. He will judge each according to his own circumstances.

    If you respect Ghazi, thats good. It is upto you. Maybe he stood for the right cause. I dont know. All I do know is that his people abducted citizens and harrassed them. How can a mosque be made on illegally aquired land? But I dont know Ghazi and Allah knows best. And yes, I dont know the insides of the red mosque and what went on. So you are right, its not for me to judge.

    As far as your statement that who ever goes to the mosque 5 times a day is sahib e Iman. I am sure he must be. But its not a guarantee. I have seen people who pray all night and go to the mosque 5 times a day but are hipocrytes. But yes, you are right, if one can do this, its excellent.

    Brother Amjad, I am not biased towards the west . Please do not take me wrong.
    I do like a lot of things about the west. A place where by people can lead their own lives in peace and where muslims are not killing each other.

    Over here, muslims are killing each other! Since when has the Prophet(PBUH)allowed us to kill people. We cannot kill anyone. Islam teaches us tolerance. Where is the tolerance. I am very happy about the fact that you and I can speak this way and reason with each other. If I was doing this in a mosque, i would be history by now. There is no tolerance.

    Do you honestly believe that us muslims are the only ones with a right to go to heaven?

  30. 30 Amjad
    July 17, 2007 at 1:14 am

    Dear Mr. Qureshi
    Assalam-o-Alaikum

    I start with your question:Do you honestly believe that us muslims are the only ones with a right to go to heaven?

    The answer is already very rightly exlained by you:
    [2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

    Please carefully note ‘whoever believes in Allah’ be it Christians of the time Prior to Rasool-e-Karim or Yahood Prior to Rasool-e-Karim.

    You must be smiling that Amjad is crazily making adjustments just to prove that he is right and me is wrong!

    Believe me I am blessed by Allah for having no Ego Issues.

    See this Ayah in the same Surah.
    [2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting guardian nor helper.

    Another one.
    [2.111] And they say: None entereth paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian. These are their own desires. Say: Bring your proof (of what ye state) if ye are truthful.

    Another one
    [2.112] Nay, but whosoever surrendereth his purpose to Allah while doing good, his reward is with his Lord; and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

    In the above ayat the surrenderer are actually MUSLIMS the followers of Rasool-e-Karim

    Masajid are great places , Kufar & their agents will always be terrified with them, its a reality mentioned in Quran .

    [2.114] And who doth greater wrong than he who forbiddeth the approach to the Masajid of Allah lest His name should be mentioned therein, and striveth for their ruin. As for such, it was never meant that they should enter them except in fear. Theirs in the world is ignominy and theirs in the Hereafter is an awful doom.

    The Shaheed Masjid came ito being in 1960 thousands of Huffaz-e-Karam, Ulama were produced, 1,500 Huffaz-e-Karam (Girls & Boys) were inside at the time of final silence operation. My heart cries for them, but no problem, never mind.., Hasbonallah

    Now back to your words…
    If I was doing this in a mosque, i would be history by now. There is no tolerance.

    Dear Tanveer, I wish if you could know how lovely places are places of Allah (i.e. Masajid)

    [9.18] The mosques [masajid] of Allah shall be visited and maintained by those who believe in Allah and the Last Day establish regular prayers and practice regular charity and fear none (at all) except Allah. It is they who are expected to be on true guidance.

    It’s Shaitan who confuses us with people’s attitude, behaviours, conflicts, Shar’s, hence the final outcome is in Shaitan’s Favor, that we don’t go to Masjid/Madrasa. We are knowing that Masajid are special places of Allah where you will remain safe from Shaitan’s Shar,

    My elder brother is also having the same excuse for not going to Masjid… (All the time I hear Mullah, MUllah… from him). I pray for him. I name this attitude to be as smartly selfish. Blame other people to justify that why you don’t go to Masjid, finally you don;t have to bother much , getting up early in the morning, leaving the luxury behind , have a long walk, get tired, and no visible gains. One can make a fool of himself, or human being, but Allah Subhanahoo Taala is our Creator, he knows every thing, to him nothing is hidden.

    Oh Yes! if I go to mosque to argue with people and creating a scuffle, I have two problems:
    1) My Neeyat was not good enough,
    2) I must have forgotten that Masajid are places of Allah, not show rooms!

  31. 31 Amjad
    July 17, 2007 at 8:33 am

    Dear Mr. Tanveer Qureshi,

    Please don’t forget to view this Islamic site :\
    http://www.daar-ul-ehsaan.org/Truth

    Allaah Tabaarak wa Ta’alaa has proclaimed:
    1. Transliteration: “Innad Deena ‘IndAllaahil Islaamu” Aali ‘Imraan, Aayah 19
    Translation: “Indeed according to Allaah the only Deen is Islaam”.
    2. Transliteration: “Famain Yuridillaahu ain Yahdiahu Yashrah Sadrahul Islaami” Al An’aam, Aayah 125
    Translation: “Those whom Allaah wills to guide He opens their breasts to Islaam”
    3. Transliteration: “Wa man Yabtaghi Ghairal Islaami Deenan Falain Yuqbala minhu wa huwa fil Aakhirati minal Khaasireen” Aali ‘Imraan Aayah 85
    Translation: “If any one desires a religion other than Islaam never will it be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who are losers.”

  32. 32 Tanveer Qureshi
    July 17, 2007 at 9:31 pm

    Dear Brother Amjad,
    Thank you so much for your post. I really like the way you write. There is something very pleasing about it. I mean it.

    No doudt you you have some good points. Just to tell you that I may have given a somewhat wrong impression about myself. I love mosques. I am for the muslims. I am a muslim and that is a fact.

    FYI I am going to be away for a few days. Will join the blog again once I am back InshaAllah.

    Thanks

  33. 33 Ishtiaq Ahmed
    July 19, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    Assalamu Alaikum Dear All…’

    No problem Amjad sb..

    “”Haq aagaya or batil mit gaya bayshak batil to hai he mitnay k liay””

  34. 34 Amjad
    July 19, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    Thank you Ishtiaq Ahmed Sb.

    Allah sub ka khtima Iman peh farmaiy
    Ameen

    Halat sakht azmaish walay hotay chalay ja rahay hain.
    Iman Bachana kahin ziada mushkil na ho jai

    Tauba Istaghfar kee kasrat ho
    Sadaqat aur nawafil ka mamool bhi hona chahiye
    Akhirat kee fikar ho, amar bil maaroof, nahi anil munkar ho
    Yeh wo sab aamal hain jin main masail ka hal hai

  35. 35 Amjad
    June 11, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Firaown is heading towards sea
    his tufailees are praisig him
    for his past, for his deeds

    He still says he salutes
    those who took part in
    the execution of his commandments
    to wipe off the kids with cruelity

    “”Haq aagaya or batil mit gaya bayshak batil to hai he mitnay k liay””


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